all i have to say on the subject is
no

I hate the color pink. It drives me crazy that its a "girl" color and so many girls buy into that, just because that's what they are told or they think is the norm. All of that Legally Blond shit pisses me off.

That being said, I'm half-and-half on the issue. I partially think its cool when a guy is secure enough to wear pink [even though I still think its an ugly color]. I guess it just depends on the guy. If he's manly and secure and he's got maybe a light pink shirt on with some nice jeans, that can be very hot. But if he's overly primped and plucked and tanned and dyed... ick. No thanks.

I like pink on some women...Depends on skintone.
On guys....Always think of the prepy, stuck up dick with the Pink Le tigre shirt or the business ex who's trying way too hard to show that he is secure in his masculinity....Otherwise it is just worn to be outlandish by Dennis Rodman or that type of ilk......
I don't like pink on me.....That is why I don't wear.....Otherwise it is just off-red to me.

(edited for spelling error)

For a minute I thought you were talking to me Pinchy and I started to blush....I was even imagining myself going out and buy and pink shirt just to make you happy. Than I realized you weren't talking to me. :O(

Anyway....I'm the guy that's always holding his wifes purse when she tries on outfits. I'm quite secure enough...In fact I think it's awesome that I don't feel insecure while standing there holding her purse....In fact I often joke with the counter girl.....Like...."Do you think this matches my outfit." Always gets a laugh. Chick dig guys that aren't overly serious about themselves....At least I've found that out after marriage....Where the hell was all this when I was single?

hey thanks for the compliment within the debate Pinchy ;)
i think i'm kinda blushing back here... haha!
..but back to the subject!

Because YOU are afraid of looking that way or being that way, because that's the way YOU see it. Insecurity.

okay... but thats like saying to a girl "why don't you wear shorter skirts/dresses. you have the legs for them so go ahead."
but the girl doesn't like short skirts because she finds them too revealing and skanky. you could say "she's not confident or secure enough to wear them" or you could just say "that style just ain't what she likes to wear." which is more likely the case.
and yes... i've already fallen into the pitfall of pink is girlie/gay :(
but just look at it! i'd wear cloths by gay designers. the gay thing ain't a problem. but the colour is just too flamboyant for me.

"Greens and blues bring out my eyes"

lmao! thats funny ed.

but just look at it! i'd wear cloths by gay designers. the gay thing ain't a problem. but the colour is just too flamboyant for me.

Then I hope you consider expressing your decision to not wear pink as a distaste for the color itself, because its bright or flashy or you just don't like it... if that is, indeed, the case... rather than using a lame excuse like "its girly" or "its gay" in the future. Because blurting out the ubiquitous "that's gay" just shows narrow-mindedness, insecurity and perhaps homophobia, if you ask me.

[edited to add a context]

Um.....At least in America...Every guy is so fucking homophobic it is ridiculous......Sometimes guys get roped into just saying something is gay as a disqualifier rather than saying it's just not their cup of tea...Because if you don't say it "Not gay", than the other guys automatically think you are covering up your gay love for the color. Don't blame Loki, blame male society and what it has become. Chest thumping homophobes....That's why I hang with chicks....There pretty and you don't have to constantly prove you're ultra male.....
Plus pink does make Loki look gay....You see what male society does!!! (I'm kidding Loki)

One last point and I'll stay out of this for a while....I here gay people say stuff like that all the time. Especially the "What a fag" line....And I've grown up with around a lot a gay people.
OK...I'm out.

LMAO!!!
maybe you're right ed. maybe i am unknowingly caught in the homophobic matrix of society...
however, the problem with society maybe that we can't say we don't wanna look like a homosexual without the homophobic claus being thrown at us. if i don't wanna dress like a gay, how does that make me homophobic, really? it just means i don't want to look like a gay, not death to all gays. seriously now...

So that makes it cool for me to go walking around saying the "N" word whenever I feel like it, because a Kanye West used it in a rap song? That's a bullshit excuse. Sorry. Just because someone/anyone says it doesn't make it okay for me to say it too.

Calling someone by a deragatory name is wrong no matter what the situation or context. You'll never convince me otherwise.

I'm not gonna sit and argue about this, because I can argue until I'm blue in the face and people will always find excuses, justifications, or circular logic to throw back at me.

All I'm saying is that if you contribute to a problem that is one more step in the wrong direction and one more hurdle any person or group of people need to overcome. That's my opinion and I'm leaving it at that.

Murcielago. It means "bat" in spanish. The flying kind. The flying kind bug eating mammal. Not the flying kind thrown by the player. Did you know it is the only word in spanish that contains all 5 vowels. Yes, you learn something every day.

I see your point Pinchy. Deragatory names are wrong. Unfortunately they are a reality and we have to try not to obsorb them.
You know how many times I was punched and kicked on the ground as a kid and called a mother fucking white honkey...Well a lot...I was a skinny little shit. Well I don't hate black people because of it....I don't even hate the people that did it. I hate that society perpetuates these things into society.....I always looked up to the one guy in the crowd that stood up and would say....He's cool man. Stop kicking him man...He ain't done nothing to you.
PS My life was saved more than once by just such a person.

So to you, Pinchy I applaud you...For standing up for what you believe and sticking to your guns.

HOLD ON...
WTF!? i'm sorry but i will not be made to look like a bad guy here. nobody is perfect. sorry Pinchy but i have seen you be totally rude and break somebody down on here for little/no reason. espeacially of the ex-BLOTD variety. no matter what language you use. hurtful is hurtful. i don't go around attacking random people... EVER!!!! so can you not try to make me out to be some monster, cause trust me... i ain't. peace...

We can all be friends...I agreed with Pinchy on her point, but I also must say that it is a society thing too.

But Loki..You are no monster (you just hide one in your pants)...You're funny and a have great spirit...And this place wouldn't be the same without you.

The dude can't even spell his name right and you expect him to have good fashion sense?

Ha!

What a tool

That's why offered the creme brulee.



So which one of you motherfuckers is going eat this fucking creme brulee??? Or do I have strap you down and force feed it to you?

No problem.


^__^

i'm sorry if i offended you Pinchy. let us eat creme burlee and forget my ignorance.

Excellent.


*puts the large knife down*

Any creme brulee left? My mate..erm..Cakeeyes Biggs, yeah, that's him, he wanted to know....
*whistles innocently*

I don't even like pink on women. It looks tacky. Very few women are able to pull it off. I think pink only looks good on women when they wear it in very small amounts in a shade that isn't very bright and flashy.

I've seen some straight men wear pink and they were able to pull it off. I think if a man is comfortable with his sexuality, he should be able to wear pink and feel confident about himself.

Though I prefer my men NOT wearing pink. I mean, I wouldn't mind him wearing a pale pink shirt once in a while, but if I don't even really like pink on women then of course I'm going to like it even less on men.


Now, about the words thing. I make racial jokes and gay jokes all the time and that doesn't make me racist or a homophobe.
I think words are just WORDS and nothing else. Words do not have meaning until you give them meaning.
If you use a "dirty" word in a hateful way then yes, you deserve to be judged by everyone.
But there is a difference between using a word in a hateful way and using it as a joke.
Everything depends on what context you're using the word in. So instead of people just hearing that one dirty word and then freaking out and saying "omg omg, he/she said nigger" or "omg omg he/she said fag", they should listen to the whole sentence.
Its not the word, its the context!

I say "faggot" all the time and I love gay people. Two of my mother's best friends are lesbians and they are like aunts to me, I love them to death. Of course I would never say something hateful about them or any other gay people.

Francois, its a boy?

oh no, I think every man needs to have at least one daughter ;)

Maybe next time.

Anyway, congrats.

Where do hide the blow torch Caitie...You know for the melting the sugar?

Blow torch tuesdays!!

Ever wonder why bubblegum is pink?

In 1928, bubble gum was invented by a man named Walter E. Diemer. Here's what Walter Diemer, the inventor himself, said about it just a year or two before he died: "It was an accident." "I was doing something else," Mr. Diemer explained, "and ended up with something with bubbles." And history took one giant pop forward. What Mr. Diemer was supposed to be doing, back in 1928, was working as an accountant for the Fleer Chewing Gum Company in Philadelphia; what he wound up doing in his spare time was playing around with new gum recipes. But this latest brew of Walter Diemer's was -- unexpectedly, crucially -- different. It was less sticky than regular chewing gum. It also stretched more easily. Walter Diemer, 23 years old, saw the bubbles. He saw the possibilities. One day he carried a five-pound glop of the stuff to a grocery store; it sold out in a single afternoon.

Before long, the folks at Fleer were marketing Diemer's creation and Diemer himself was teaching cheeky salesmen to blow bubbles, to demonstrate exactly what made this gum different from all other gums. The only food coloring in the factory was pink. Walter used it. That is why most bubble gum today is pink.

Heh heh heh
Thanks loki!

DOH!

Thanks ed!

Can't see a pic either. Maybe Calli was referring to the film or the song?

there's creme brulee??? where??? why was I not notified???

......those bastards!

ok, ok no need to get snippy

word for the maintanance repair calli.